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MaluSim Carbohydrate Models for May 16: Winchester and Central Virginia

MaluSim models were run on May 16 for Winchester and Central Virginia.

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As I spoke about at the Winchester breakfast meeting on Thursday morning, the Winchester forecast is calling for warm and cloudy weather starting today and running through most of next week. From many year’s of research, we know that these are the conditions under which there is a fair amount of natural thinning and that chemical thinners can be particularly active. When the weather data is run through the MaluSim model, we see that there is a carbohydrate deficit between -40 to -60 g CHO/day predicted for the next 10 days. This means that chemical thinners that are applied over the next several days will likely be fairly active. With this in mind, growers should consider reducing rates and/or not using a surfactant. Growers with blocks that sustained freeze damage on Tuesday morning, should consider further reducing rates. As always, you should be checking your trees and making decisions based upon the conditions in your own orchard.

For Central Virginia (Piney River), the carbohydrate deficits over the next week will remain in the negative, but not be as low as the Winchester area. This means that chemical thinners applied from today through the weekend will likely be slightly aggressive when used at standard rates. Growers should be regularly checking their blocks for current conditions. By now, you should be able to see some effect of the cloudy weather that the region experienced early last week.

Here are the pdf files that contain the weather data and the MaluSim models:

Peck Central VA MaluSim 5_16_13

Peck Winchester VA MaluSim 5_16_13

 

MaluSim Carbohydrate Models for May 9: Winchester and Central Virginia

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MaluSim carbohydrate models for Winchester and Central Virginia were run on Thursday morning.

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Over the next day or so, for Central Virginia, the carbohydrate balance will remain in the negative, but quickly move to the positive over the weekend. From thinning applications made Thursday (5/9) or Friday (5/10), growers should expect a fairly “normal” response. However, forecast data from Intellicast.com, suggests that sunnier, but cooler weather will move into Virginia early next week, followed by a warming trend starting on Wednesday. Based on the MaluSim model, this weather pattern will cause apple trees to have positive carbohydrate values through the early part of next week, and thus standard rates of thinners used on Saturday or Sunday will be less effective than expected. In blocks where heavier thinning is needed, growers should consider holding off on their 10 mm thinning application until Tuesday or Wednesday when warmer temperatures return. However, once fruit gets to be 15 mm or larger, NAA and 6-BA are less effective thinning agents. The other approach is to increase the rates used in thinning applications made over the weekend through Monday.

The above scenario is similar for Winchester but since fruit size is smaller (generally 6-8 mm), growers can wait for next week’s warming trend to make the 10 mm thinning applications. Additionally, with the smaller fruit size in Winchester, the cloudy weather that we’ve experienced over the last few days should cause less natural thinning than what might occur in Central Virginia.

I’ll run the model again on Monday.

Current fruitlet sizes at the Winchester AREC:

  • Empire: 8.0 mm
  • Golden Supreme: 6.3 mm
  • Fuji: 6.5 mm
  • Golden Delicious: 5.7 mm
  • Suncrisp: 6.0 mm
  • Pink Lady: 7.2 mm
  • Idared: 7.1 mm
  • York: 6.0 mm

For more information, download pdfs of the models:

Peck Central VA MaluSim 5_9_13

Peck Winchester VA MaluSim 5_9_13

MaluSim Carbohydrate Models for May 6: Winchester and Central Virginia

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MaluSim models were run on Monday May 6 for Winchester and Central Virginia (Piney River). The outputs from both locations were fairly similar, with carbohydrate deficits predicted over the next six or so days. This is mostly due to the cloud cover from a series of storms that will pass through the region. With sunnier conditions and warmer temperatures, the model predicts a carbohydrate surplus by Saturday.

Apple trees are still at late bloom to 4 mm fruitlet size in the Winchester area, and growers will probably not need to start thinning until later in the week or early next week.

In Central Virginia, fruitlets are ranging from 8 to 15 mm. Growers should consider reducing rates over the next few days as the model is predicting an aggressive response to standard rates of chemical thinners. However, as we move towards the end of the week, growers should use full rates to ensure an effective response.

It is unclear how much “natural” thinning will occur from this prolonged stretch of cloudy weather. However, work by Dr. Byers suggests that 3 days of cloudy weather with temperatures at 70F (this was a controlled study in growth chambers) can cause 50% of the fruitlets to abscise. With the prolonged stretch of cloudy weather that we are experiencing, growers should consider being less aggressive with rates until the end of the week.

Peck Winchester VA MaluSim 5_6_13

Peck Central VA MaluSim 5_6_13

MaluSim Carbohydrate Models for May 2: Winchester and Central Virginia

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MaluSim Wincheter 5_2_2013

 

 

Today, I ran the first MaluSim Carbohydrate models for 2013. This includes a simulation for Winchester, and a simulation for Central Virginia (Piney River, VA). Thanks to Bennett Saunders for sending us the data to use for Central Virginia.

The Malusim model was developed by Drs. Alan Lakso and Terence Robinson at Cornell University to estimate the carbohydrate balance in an ‘Empire’ apple tree based upon many years of detailed research and information found in the scientific literature. In recent years, the model has been used by researchers and extension specialists in New York as a tool to help assess the application timing for applying thinning materials at the 10 mm fruitlet size. Carbohydrate status, and therefore the MaluSim model, is not as important for other times when chemical thinners might be applied (i.e., bloom, petal fall, 20 mm), so it is not as clear how well the model does to predict the response of chemical thinners used at timings other than 10 mm.

For the past several years, I have been running trials at the Winchester AREC to see how well the MaluSim model performs under conditions found in Virginia. Many researchers, including myself, are still working towards understanding the best way to use the model. From what we have found, when weather forecasts are used to predict the future carbohydrate status of an apple tree, the MaluSim model can provide a warning as to when there might be a chance for severe under- or over-thinning. This is particularly true when there are three- or four-day trends with large carbohydrate surpluses or deficits predicted. For this reason, in addition to the data points for each day, I show a four-day running average (the black line on the charts). To be consistent with other researchers and extension specialists, the four-day running average is calculated from the date the data is show to three days into the future.

Please keep these caveats in mind if you are using the MaluSim model to guide your thinning application timing:

  • We’re still learning how to best use the model. At this point, it is just one more tool in the toolbox. There is no tool that is better than your own experience with chemical thinning on your own farm.
  • Future predictions of carbohydrate status are based upon weather forecasts from Intellicast.com for Winchester and Piney River. Temperature forecasts are probably pretty good for 3-5 days, but cloud cover (which is how I calculate the future solar radiation) is much less reliable. Although I show predictions out 10 days, my confidence that they are correct decreases significantly after 5 days. Nonetheless, it is useful information–just remember to keep looking for updated models so that you have the most up-to-date information. I will do my best to post a model for Central Virginia and Winchester twice a week.
  • Look at the day that you want to spray, and the 2-3 days after that. If there are periods of severe surplus or deficit, consider adjusting the rates or timing of your thinning applications.
  • The model is based upon the phenology of ‘Empire’. This is because the researchers in NY had a large body of data on Empire to use when they created the model. Of particular note, you should be aware that the model “clock” starts at silver tip for Empire. Cultivars with much earlier or later bud break may not correlate as well with the model values.
  • The models that I am running use data from the Winchester AREC, and Saunders Brothers Orchards in Piney River, VA. You need to consider whether or not those locations represent the weather in your orchard.
  • The model only accounts for temperatures and sunlight. Other weather events, such as rainfall or frosts may cause other impacts on the efficacy of your thinning materials that are not going to be represented in the model.

In the below pdf files, I provide a chart of the weather data that are used to run each model (daily maximum temperature, daily minimum temperature, and daily solar radiation), a chart of the MaluSim model with day-by-day data and a four-day running average, and a chart with the potential response a chemical thinner might have for different levels of carbohydrate balance in the tree.

So, what do today’s models show? Some very advanced blocks of early blooming apple cultivars in Central Virginia are getting close to the 10 mm thinning stage. From applications that occur today and tomorrow, you should expect “normal” to “slightly aggressive” response from your standard thinning rates, but nothing that suggests sever overthinning. However, there is a period of unsettled weather predicted for Mon-Wed of next week that could cause the carbohydrate levels to drop in the trees. It all depends on the amount of cloud cover we get over those days. Temperatures are going to remain moderate over that period, so even with the potential for some cloud cover, it doesn’t look like a severe carbohydrate deficit. Cloud cover is the hardest thing to predict, and predictions are only good for 3 days at best.

In Winchester, we are still at late bloom to petal fall, so there’s probably another week before the carbohydrate model data needs careful interpretation.

I will talk more about the model at tonight’s In-depth fruit school in Winchester.

Peck Central VA MaluSim 5_2_13

Peck Winchester VA MaluSim 5_2_13

MaluSim Carbohydrate Model for May 14

Here is the final MaluSim simulation for 2012 (pdf). Please let me know if you have any questions or feedback.

Also, we’re starting to see larger (+25 mm) fruit coming off of apple trees. Some of this fruit is abscising as a result of chemical thinning, but there also appears to be fruit that had either poor pollination (not all carpels have seeds) or had seeds that started to grow but died soon thereafter, possibly as a result of freeze damage. As you monitor your blocks for thinning responses, make sure to cut into the fruitlets and look at the seeds. Many of the fruitlets that have damaged or missing seeds are falling off the trees at the same time as those that were chemically thinned.

MaluSim Carbohydrate Model for May 10

Today’s MaluSim simulation for Winchester (pdf) confirms that the cloudy weather from the cold front that hung over the region for the past few days caused a carbohydrate deficit. The deficit was somewhat less severe than originally predicted, but resulted in similar enough data that I would not have changed the interpretation I provided on Monday. The difference in the predicted and the actual data was due to cooler daily max temps and more solar radiation than forecasted.  As I’ve mentioned previously, cloud cover forecasts are the least accurate and the most difficult to interpret.

Over the coming weekend, the model is showing a period of carbohydrate surplus, then another storm system is predicted for next week, which could cause another carbohydrate deficit.

On Monday, I will run the MaluSim model one last time for this season so that you can have a final version to reflect on as you assess the thinning in your orchards. Please provide me with feedback on how you used the model this season. Did it predict what you are seeing in your orchards? I would appreciate any comments that you think would be useful for improving the model for future years.

MaluSim Carbohydrate Model for May 7

Today’s MaluSim simulation (pdf) confirms last week’s forecasts for a mild carbohydrate deficit over the past weekend. Even though cooler temperatures are predicted for this coming week, several days of cloudy weather are showing the potential for a very severe carbohydrate deficit starting tomorrow (Tuesday). If we get less cloud cover than predicted, I would expect less of a carbohydrate deficit. Nonetheless, those who are still applying chemical thinners should be cautious about rates and timings during the coming week, especially in blocks with already reduced crop loads due to frosts. The model is predicting a less severe deficit towards the end of the week and for next weekend (if you believe long-term forecasts). As I mentioned last week, we are not sure how well the MaluSim model predicts thinning with ethephon-based materials.

As a reminder, there will be a Rappahannock County in-orchard meeting on Wednesday at Lee’s Orchard and a Morning Update meeting on Thursday at the AREC.

MaluSim Carbohydrate Model for May 4

Data from today’s Winchester MaluSim simulation (pdf) shows that apple trees have been in a mild carbohydrate deficit for the last couple of days and will likely continue to be in a mild deficit for three to four days. This means that you should expect average to slightly aggressive thinning response from materials apples during this past week. A more severe carbohydrate deficit is predicted for next week, but this will likely be beyond the 10 mm thinning application for most orchards and cultivars. At the AREC, many cultivars are already at or beyond 15 mm. The three-day rolling average shows less of a deficit over the past few days, but also shows that we are heading into a period of severe carbohydrate deficit next week.

We are unsure how well the MaluSim model predicts responses to ethephon-based materials used for late- or re-thinning at ~20 mm. However, it is something that I am testing this year.

As a reminder, MaluSim is based on an idealized Empire tree and uses weather data from the Winchester AREC. Therefore it may not represent conditions in your orchard or with different cultivars. However, please let me know if you are using this data for making management decisions and how well it is or isn’t working so that we can improve the model for future years.

May 2 Update

As I mentioned in the comment to my last post, I am out of town and unable to run a MaluSim simulation until I have access to my lab computer on Friday. However, I just compared the predicted temperatures and sunlight levels that I used as inputs for the model I ran on Monday (April 30), and the current forecast. For the next few days, the Winchester area is predicted to have slightly warmer day time temps and slightly cooler night temps than previously forecast, but overall the temperature forecasts match up reasonably well (see table below). There will be thundershowers over the next few days, which makes predicting total daily light levels difficult. However, the warmer day temps will like drive the carbohydrate status in the tree to be more negative (that is, in a greater deficit). My interpretation of Monday’s model was to expect average to slightly greater than average responses from chemical thinners. With today’s forecasts, I suspect that apple trees will be even more responsive to chemical thinners for the next three days (Thurs-Sat). I’ll verify this when I run the model again on Friday.

Forecast Data from 4/30 
Forecast Data from 5/2
Difference
Date
Max Temp (F)
Min Temp (F)
Solar Radiation (MJ/m2/day)
Max Temp (F)
Min Temp (F)
Solar Radiation (MJ/m2/day)
Max Temp (F)
Min Temp (F)
Solar Radiation (MJ/m2/day)
2-May
78.8
62.6
9.28
78.8
60.8
15.37
0
1.8
-6.09
3-May
86
60.8
15.66
86
62.6
14.5
0
-1.8
1.16
4-May
84.2
62.6
19.72
82.4
64.4
9.57
1.8
-1.8
10.15
5-May
78.8
60.8
12.18
77
59
16.53
1.8
1.8
-4.35
6-May
77
57.2
8.7
71.6
55.4
10.44
5.4
1.8
-1.74
7-May
69.8
50
10.15
73.4
55.4
11.02
-3.6
-5.4
-0.87
8-May
69.8
51.8
29
75.2
55.4
5.8
-5.4
-3.6
23.2
9-May
69.8
55.4
11.6
73.4
53.6
11.6
-3.6
1.8
0

MaluSim Carbohydrate Model for April 30

Click on this link to see the MaluSim simulation for April 30, 2012 (pdf). As I’ve mentioned previously, it is recommended to look for three-day trends in carbohydrate balance. My colleagues in New York who have been working with the MaluSim for several years now have suggested using a multi-day running average carbohydrate balance, as opposed to the day-by-day data that I have been presenting. Within the file, the first simulation chart is for the day-by-day data, and the second simulation chart is for the three-day running average. The running three-day average is meant to smooth out the data to make it easier to see the trends. Since I haven’t compared previous years’ thinning efficacy using a three-day average, I am less familiar with how to interpret the numbers. Nonetheless, if you look at either the day-by-day data or the three-day running average data, you’ll see that we’re heading into a period of carbohydrate deficit. This means that your chemical thinners will have average to slightly aggressive activity if applied tomorrow (Tuesday) through Thursday.

As a reminder, the model is based on an idealized Empire apple tree that has an average crop load, average number of extension shoots, and has not had any other stress related damage (e.g. frost). Therefore, the model is only meant as a guide for understanding the effects of weather on the activity of your chemical thinners. You should base your thinning applications on the crop situation in your blocks, as well as your experience.

Most cultivars at the AREC are at or beyond the 10 mm fruitlet size. Although  differential separation between fruitlets is not extreme this year (especially in clusters with no king bloom due to the frost), it is still assumed that weaker fruit will be thinned more easily than stronger (i.e. larger) fruit. Since there is a great amount of variability in fruitlet sizes within trees and within orchards, make sure to properly assess blocks before applying chemical thinners.

Please let me know if you have any questions. You can use the comments feature on this blog site, or send me an email at greg.peck@vt.edu.

As a final note to today’s post, I want to thank Drs. Alan Lakso and Terence Robinson from Cornell University who have spent many years working on developing the MaluSim model. They have been very generous in sharing the model and their experiences interpreting the model for use in predicting thinning efficacy.